Thursday, January 3, 2008

MORMONISM... christianity or cult ???

MORMONISM...another form of christianity or just another cult ???

Brigham Young (mormon leader) said- “Take up the Bible and compare the religion of the latter-day saints with it and see if it will stand the test” (Journal of Discourses page 46 Vol. 16)

Cult- a belief system that takes true teachings of a world religion and redefine it to an extent that it becomes radically altered.

President Hinkley (Mormon current prophet) -“In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ spoke of those outside the church who say latter-day saints ‘do not believe in the tradition of Christ.’ No I don’t. The tradition of Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this dispensation of the fullest of time. He together with his father appeared to the boy, Joseph Smith in 1820 and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more about the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.” (Latter Day Saints Newsweek June 20, 1998 page 7)


God used to be a man on another world that he became a god by following the laws and ordinances of his god on his own world. In his present god state he rules our world. He has a body of flesh and bones and according to Mormonism he has a wife, a goddess wife. Since they are both exalted persons they each posses physical bodies. In their exalted states as deities they produce spirit children that grow and mature in the spiritual realm. The first spirit born was Jesus. Afterwards were born the devil and all other spirit creatures. After the spirit children are born to god and his goddess wife in heaven they come down and enter into bodies of human babies that are born on earth. During this compression into infant state, the memories of the pre-existence is veiled. All people were born in heaven first and then on earth where they grown and learn to return to god. God the father who is called Elohim, was concerned for the future salvation of the people on earth in the heavenly realm the father had a plan for salvation of the world. Jesus endorsed the fathers’ plan, Lucifer did not. Lucifer became jealous and rebelled. In his rebellion he convinced a large portion of the spirits existing in heaven to side with him and oppose God. God being more powerful than they cursed the rebellious spirits to become demons. Mormon men and women have the potential of becoming gods

President Lorenzo Snow –“As god once was, man is. As god is, man may become. In order to reach the exalted state, a man must become a good Mormon, pay a full 10
ithe to the Mormon Church, follow various laws and ordinances of the church and be found worthy. Afterwards he or she can enter a Mormon temple and go through the secret (they call sacred) rituals : baptism for the dead, celestial marriage, and various oaths of secrecy and commitment. 4 secret handshakes are taught so the believing Mormon upon entering the 3rd level of Mormon heaven can shake hands with god in a certain pattern. This celestial ritual is for the purpose of permitting entrance into that level of heaven. For those that achieve the highest of heavens, exaltation to godhood awaits them. Then he or she will be permitted to have his or own planet and be the god of his own world and the Mormon system will be expanded to other planets.

(Chapter 4:61) More correct than the Bible. There are many gods (Mormon doctrine page 163) God used to be a man on another planet (MD page 321) After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god. (345-347) teachings of Joseph Smith) God resides near a star called Colub (pearl of great price page 34,35). God has a body of flesh and bones (Doctrine and covenants (page 130:22) Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in haven to them both (page 163 MD) Goes back to 1830.

As of 1997, membership was a little more than 10 million in world.

Isaiah 43:10,11 says “…before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.11I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no Savior.”

Isaiah 44:6 says “Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Isaiah 46:9 says “Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

1 Timothy 3:16 “God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

(Times and seasons 5:613) First God himself who sits enthroned in yonder heavens is a man like unto one like yourselves. (DC 130:22) the father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as mans.

Hosea 11:9 says “for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee

John 4:24 “God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”

Luke 24:39 “Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.”

John 1:1,14 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

Mark 2:7 “Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?” (Jesus forgave sins afterward)

Colossians 2:9 “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” (speaking of Jesus)

Colossians 1:16 “For by him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:”

Hebrews 3:4 “For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.”

Psalm 96:5 “ For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.”

Genesis 1:1 “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”

Matthew 1:23 “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”

Matthew 1:18 “Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 1:20 “…that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.”

Luke 1:35 “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”

Brigham Young (Mormon prophet) said- “When the virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the father begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten of the holy ghost” (Journal of Discourses page 150)

Psalm 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

How was Jesus born a god? Why aren’t we all born gods?

Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 1:20 that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

(Mormon Doctrine) Page 358 “The holy ghost is the 3rd member of the godhead. He is a personage of spirit, a spirit person, a spirit man, a spirit entity. He can be in only one place at one time and he cannot transform himself in any other image than that of man, whom he is.”

Acts 5:34 But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? 4"While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."

Psalm139:7,8 Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? 8If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last.

Polytheism -More than one God.

Monotheism- Only one God (Christianity)

Polytheism belief in worship of many gods (Webster’s dictionary)

Christianity believes One God revealed in 3 persons.

Mormonism belief actually 3 different gods

Isaiah 44:8 Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

(JOD) The father is the only god with whom we have to do. In other words the only one they report to.

Matthew 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

Matthew 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Matthew 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

Matthew 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

John 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

Revelation 5:12-14 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.13And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.14And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Q- Joseph Smith claims church had fallen away. Father God told him not to go to any church b/c all wrong. He had to restore it.

All verses referring to end time apostasy do not say a total and complete apostasy.

Isaiah 51:6-8 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.7Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.8For the moth shall eat them up like a garment, and the worm shall eat them like wool: but my righteousness shall be forever, and my salvation from generation to generation.

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Orson Pratt apostle of Mormon Church said “gates of hell have prevailed against the church.”

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Galatians 1:8 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

Q Do you really believe that God commanded the restriction of African-American from the restored priesthood? Are you in support and agreement with the views of the Latter Day Saints prophets and apostles on this matter?

Latter Day Saints Prophet Bruce R. McConkey in MD page 527-528 1966 edition says “the Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned. This inequality is not of mans origin, it is the Lord’s doing. It is based on the eternal laws of justice and grows out of the lack of spiritual valiance of those concerned in their first estate.”

Acts 10:34,35 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:35But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Galatians 2:6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

(Journal of Discourses Vol 2 page 143) In 1854, prophet Brigham Young - “The Negroes would not receive the Mormon priesthood until after the resurrection.”

Another prophet, Spencer Kimball pleading to god against this very same revelation. In 1978, Spencer claims that as a result of these pleadings he received a new revelation that contradicts Brigham Young’s original teaching of the subject.

Problem: 2 revelations from God that are contradictory

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

In 1978 when they had this (made top 10 things in 20th century regarding Mormon church)

1979: worthy males of all races can all receive the priesthood, means that members of all races may be married although interracial marriages are discouraged by the brethren.

-Latter Day Saints prophet Bruce McConkey (Mormon Doctrine 526-528, 1979)

They will ask you to pray about the Book of Mormon to see if you get the burning in your bosom Moroni 10:4 and James 1:5 {that context is of trials.

Q- If it contradicts the bible why pray about it? Why not pray about adultery or homosexuality. Just as obvious how wrong it is! Should we pray about the Qu’Ran to see if it is true?

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Proverbs 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.

As far as determining truth, use 2 Timothy 3:16 “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.”

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

John 5:39 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Matthew 21:16 And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?

If agree to pray about the book of Mormon, which edition 1830, 1921 or today’s which has over 4,000 changes since 1830.

Changes in 1830 book of Nephi page 25 “Behold the lamb of god, yeah even the eternal father.”

Today it reads “Yeah, even the son of the eternal father.”

Page 26 “I looked and beheld the lamb of God that he was taken by the people. Yeah, the everlasting god was judged of the world.”

Now it reads “yeah the son of the everlasting god was judged of the world.”

Page 32 “The lamb of god is the eternal father and the savior of the world.”

Now it reads “The lamb of God is the son of the eternal father and the savior of the world.”

Book of Mormon contradicts DandC Jacob 2:24- “Behold, Davis and Solomon had many wives and concubines which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.”

DandC 132:1 David and Solomon were justified of polygamy

Alma 11:44- “The father, son, and Holy ghost are one. Christ the son, God the father and the holy spirit which is one eternal god.” (Contradicts Mormon doctrine)

Mormon 7:7 “Unto the father, unto the son and unto the holy ghost which are one god.”(Contradicts many gods)

Alma 31:15 “Holy, holy, we believe that thou art holy and that thou was a spirit, and that thou art a spirit, and that thou will be a spirit forever.”

Believe in the Bible as long as it is interpreted properly.

Q- How were Jesus and Satan spirit brothers when Jesus created all things?

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Teach necessity of water baptism for salvation (works salvation) Acts 2:38

Acts 10:44-47

Thief on the cross not baptized. Luke 23:40-43

Archeological evidence for the book of Mormon= Zero!

Smithsonian see no archeological support for migration from Israel to America

Department of Anthropology says Americas did not have steel or horses before 1492.

600 B.C. – 421 A.D.

1 Nephi 4:9 -steel

Alma 18:9 existence of horses

Excuse is names have changed, etc

To determine a cult: A cult changes major religion and perverts it and radically changing it.

Joseph Smith is a false prophet based on this:

Feb 14, 1835 in history of Church 2:3-82 preached, “the coming of the Lord will be in 56 years (1891). Also on April 6,1843 HC 5:336; DandC 130:14-17

He also prophesied that “there are those of the rising generation that will not taste death until Christ comes. In the name of the Lord God, let it be written that the son of man will not come in the heavens until I am 85 years old. About (1890)” Jesus did not return. Mormons do not claim He did! Joseph Smith did not live to be 85 years old.

Deuteronomy 18:22- When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”

Excuse is “He probably didn’t mean what he said.”

Mormon prophet Brigham Young taught “Adam and Joseph Smith helped to make and organize the world.” (Journal of Discourses Volume 1 page 50)

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Pre-Existence ???

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Jeremiah 11:5 That I may perform the oath which I have sworn unto your fathers, to give them a land flowing with milk and honey, as it is this day. Then answered I, and said, So be it, O Lord.

Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Mormons believe we are all literal offspring of God

We are children of God by adoption when we repent and receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Deuteronomy 14:1 Deuteronomy 14:2 chosen not conceived by sex

Hosea 1:10 called or told not conceived by sex

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Romans 8:15,16 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.

Brigham Young taught controversial Adam-God doctrine. Many Mormons claim not true.

Excuse is “he was a deep thinker, so we can’t understand what he meant.”

Intro in JoD says “words of the apostles and prophets as they were spoken in the assemblies of the saints in Zion, the value of which cannot be estimated by man not so much for any great display of learning and eloquence but as for the purity of doctrine, simplicity of style, and the extent of a monotheological truth which they develop. Referred to as the embodiment of doctrine. These sermons will be most valuable as a gauge of doctrine.

Oct 8,1954 “he (Adam) is god and father of our lord Jesus Christ, both body and spirit. He is the father of our spirits and the father of our flesh in the beginning. You will not dispute the words of an apostle that he is the actually the god and father of our Lord Jesus Christ and the father of our spirits. I tell you simply he is our father and god and the father of our Lord Jesus Christ and the father of our sprits. I say he is not made of the dust of this ground of this earth but made of the dust of the earth where he lived where he honored his calling and believed in his savior or elder brother and by his faithfulness was redeemed and got a glorious resurrection. Our spirits and all spirits were begotten by Adam and born of Eve. I tell you when you see your father in Heaven, you will see Adam. When you see your mother that bore your spirit, you will see mother Eve.”

1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Manuscript Address of Brigham Young quoted in Journal of L. John Nutal Feb 7,1887 “He had received his priesthood, was numbered through the Gods.”

“Now hear it oh inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, saint and sinner, when our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body and brought Eve, one of his wives with him. He helped to make and organize this world...”

{Genesis 2:18 God made a helper for Adam. Genesis 2:22 Lord God made Eve from side of Adam.} “…he is Michael the archangel the ancient of days whom holy man have written and spoken. He (Adam) is our father and our God and the only God with whom we have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians must hear it and will know it sooner or later. He was not begotten of the holy ghost. And who is the father? He is the first human of the family and when he took a tabernacle it was begotten by the father in heaven. Jesus our elder brother was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden and who is our father in heaven.

{Matthew 1:20 “But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.”}

Now let all who may hear these doctrines pause before they make light of them or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation. Who did beget him his father and his father is our God and the father of our lord Jesus Christ? Who is he? He is father Adam.”

Brigham Young’s Challenge: “Take up the Bible and compare the religion of the latter-day saints with it and see if it stands the test.”

Isaiah 8:20 says “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”

Romans 16:17 commands “And now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people's faith by teaching things that are contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them.”

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